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Date: 2/19/2008 8:56 pm EDT
I have laminate in my kitchen that was put in by the builder at the time we bought the house. I want so bad to go back to ceramic, but we are getting too old to handle big jobs like that. Would the laminate I have now have to be removed before we install the Avaire floor?
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:25 AM
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Date: 2/19/2008 9:13 pm EDT
As long as the existing laminate is flat and there are no loose areas, you can install Avaire directly over the laminate. You'll want to watch for height issues though. Sometimes with multiple layers of flooring, you can start seeing clearance issues with doors, applicances such as built-in dishwashers, etc.

Please send us a picture when you are done (a before and after shot would be great)!
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:25 AM
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Date: 2/19/2008 9:42 pm EDT
Thanks Jonathan for the positive reply. Do you know the thickness of each tile with the backing?

We were in Menard's today even though they are 60 miles from us, and this was one thing we went there to look at today. When we do get ready to do it, I definitely will take before and after pictures and send them. We had a worker here a little over a month ago and he does ceramic, I asked him what he would charge and at first he said $25 per sq. ft. then later he called back and said $15, but that would cost us $4500 just for labor, we know we could do this even with a rental truck for less than $2,000. He was really reasonable for what he had him do which was a plumbing job with drywall.
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Date: 2/19/2008 9:56 pm EDT
I must jump in here!

Dear friends...there are very few circumstances in the entire country where a ceramic tile installation would cost $15 per square foot. Typically and depending on what part of the country you are in, a ceramic floor tile installation costs under $7 per square foot but there can be many variables. That $7 would include the cost of the tile underlayment, the cost of the setting materials, and the cost of the labor to install all of the above including the tile.

AVAIRE on the other hand requires none of the above and the labor to install it is about $3 per square foot or less. Here again depending on the configuration there could be some slight variables.

Please please be very careful doing business with someone that is quoting you $15 or more per square foot to install traditional ceramic tile. To install AVAIRE and charge THAT PRICE is ridiculous beyond belief. Especially if YOU are buying the tile.
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Date: 2/19/2008 10:46 pm EDT
I meant that he would do regular ceramic, I didn't know about Avaire at the time and we know we can handle this ourselves even if it takes us longer than others.
I may have been wrong on what he quoted us, but we are trying to avoid hiring the job done.

Thank you for your concern, I know we are getting to a vulnerable age.
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Author: Jonathan
Date: 2/22/2008 9:16 pm EDT
One more point about installing Avaire over laminate. Since laminate is a floating floor system itself, it is possible that the underlying subfloor could be out of tolerance but not appear that way. When you check for "flatness", you'll want to make sure there isn't a void under the laminate. There isn't a "pat" method for checking, but if there are portions of the floor where there appears to be significant deflection when you apply pressure/weight, you might have a section that isn't stable enough for Avaire.

Put another way, Avaire will be fine installed directly over laminate when the underlying subfloor is sufficiently flat, but that could be difficult to accurate detect.

If you have the option to remove the laminate first (which typically shouldn't be too difficult), that would be preferred. It would solve other potential issues like height problems, undercuts, etc.

I invite our other experts to weigh-in with their thoughts.
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Author: Sylvia Hayes
Date: 2/23/2008 8:35 pm EDT
Jonathan, we know how the laminate would come out because we installed it in our other rooms. But it sounded good not to send it to the dump on one hand, but on the other your answer is a very practical way to go, by taking it out I mean. I think we will talk it over and decide when we get ready to put the Avaire in. Will be watching to see if anyone else has another opinion.

I messed up when I logged as administrator earlier, sorry if I posted wrong.
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